Should Richard Dalloway be in GOAT conversations?

    When we talk about the GOAT debate, the usual contenders are names like MLK, Confucius, Jesus, George Washington, Albert Einstein, Lebron James, or names of that sort. Does Richard Dalloways's great qualities as a human being warrant a spot for him in the GOAT debate? To set the premise, we are treating Richard Dalloway as a real human being rather than a fictional character. The fictional character GOAT debate would be very different as it would consist of people like Batman, Spiderman, Harry Potter, and it would be very hard to fit Richard into this conversation. 

    Richard Dalloway, from the book Mrs.Dalloway, is a side character that doesn't actually get that much "book time". However, from the limited words spent on his depiction, we see many qualities that I think objectively make him a great human being. First, Richard is a very successful person. He is a Member of Parliament, and the Woolf made sure to show his importance. He sits on committees, and he spends time with other important figures in town such as when he spends an afternoon at Lady Bruton's lunch helping her draft a letter to the Times about her emigration plan. People with money and influence lean on him to get things done, and he did all of this while being the husband of one of the most sought after hostesses in the city, whose parties are attended by the Prime Minister. 

    Secondly, the book displays Richard as a great husband as well. On the way home from lunch, he buys Clarissa a bunch of roses, and he wants to tell her he loves her. He can't quite get the words out, but he holds the flowers out and she understands (which says a lot about how well the two of them know each other). He also insists that she rest after lunch because she has been ill, and he does it out of care, not control. Clarissa herself thinks a marriage needs a bit of independence and privacy, and Richard gives her that without asking questions. I think Richard's love and respect for Clarissa is kind of cute, especially when he couldn't tell his wife that he loves her. Besides his taste in jewelry, he seems to be a great husband.

    Lastly, Richard has a very amiable personality, and the party near the end of the book shows it best. Out of everyone in that room, Richard is the one who is actually enjoying himself, and he is far more at ease than Clarissa, who spends most of the night worried that the whole thing is a failure. He is also kind to the people most guests ignore. Ellie Henderson, a poorer guest who stands alone in a corner watching everyone else, ends up talking with Richard, who is the only person who bothers to speak to her. Then there is Elizabeth. While Richard is talking to the Bradshaws, he looks across the room and thinks, "Who is that lovely girl?" and only then realizes it is his own daughter, who looks so lovely in her pink dress that he didn't recognize her. By the end of the night, the book says he is proud of her, and he tells her what he thought when he first saw her. A man who is relaxed at his wife's party, kind to the guest nobody talks to, and openly proud of his daughter is the kind of person anyone would want in their life.

    When we look at the greatest humans of all time, the successes of these people often overshadow their negatives. For example, despite Einstein's greatness as a physicist, he was not a good father, and he even married his cousin (who was his first cousin from his mom's side AND his second cousin from his dad's side). Even MLK was caught having extramarital affairs, and George Washington had slaves. No one is perfect, but I think the personality and qualities of a human should be evaluated just as importantly as their successes. 

    This brings us back to Mr. Richard Dalloway. When we purely look at impact, Richard's greatness is nowhere near the likes of Confucius or Jesus. Despite being a very successful person, he didn't change the world. However, if we judge a person by both what they achieved and how they treated the people around them, Richard holds up well. He was a good husband that loved his wife in his own quiet way and a great friend to everyone around him, even the ones people often ignore. Richard's greatness goes beyond the stats that commonly define success. His impact can only be seen by those who are actually around him. So now, when we compare Richard to the likes of Einstein, MLK, and Washington, I think his lack of a major flaw could potentially give him an edge over these people in GOAT talks. Richard Dalloway will never reach impact levels of an all time great, but he certainly is one of the greats that you'd actually want to know personally. 


Works cited:

Woolf, Virginia. Mrs. Dalloway. 1925. Harcourt, 2005.

 My Talking Angela (Clarissa if she was talking Angela the cat)

Comments

  1. Hi Henry guan, very interesting take. I feel like usually when we think of the GOAT, they have to exceed everyone else at something specific. But Richard is just a pretty normal guy. I'd imagine there's tons of people in the world with the same moral qualities as Richard, though I would say that within the book itself he's the best character (or at least has the best qualities). Great blog!

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  2. Henry, this blog has got me laughing! I really like your argument that the GOAT debate should be measured not only by someone's accomplishments but also by how they treat the people around them. I especially found your point about Richard buying Clarissa flowers interesting because even though he struggles to express his love verbally, his actions show how much he cares about her. I also think his kindness toward Ellie Henderson shows that he genuinely respects others regardless of their wealth. However, I wonder if Richard's inability to fully understand Clarissa's internal struggles could be considered one of his flaws. Do you think Richard would still deserve to be in the GOAT conversation if we considered how well he truly understands his wife? Put my boy Peter Walsh up there!

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  3. I audibly laughed when I read that first sentence. Putting Jesus, MLK, and LeBron on the same level is crazy. After reading this post, Putting Richard up there might not be crazy. Reading through the book, every time Richard was in scene, I couldn't stop thinking about how much of a GOAT this guy is. Great Post

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  4. Henry, this is glaze. On a real note this blog made me think a lot. At first I would not think of Richard as a good husband because he does nothing fun with Clarissa in the book and he seems like he dosn't enjoy doing things with Clarissa. He does seem like a good father though especially when you highlight that one scene at the party. Calling him the GOAT though is too far since he is just some normal person. Good blog dude!

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  5. I would say that a big part of Richard's appeal as a character is that he doesn't necessarily aspire to "greatness." I know you're not being entirely serious when you rank him next to Gandhi or MLK, but we could even say he's not aspiring to the kind of greatness that a more comparable figure, such as Churchill, aspired to. Richard is depicted as a humble MP, quietly working away at issues that are important to him, a politician who actually seems motivated to improve society in some way (and indeed, we see him talking to Bradshaw about a bill related to shell shock at the party). I like Richard especially because he's not *trying* to be the GOAT: at a party full of notables and dignitaries, he's happy to just stand proudly next to his daughter, both of them really preferring to be in the country playing with the dog.

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  6. Your list of Goats is interesting, but your points make sense. He definitely has the best moral compass of anyone in the book. My only argument would be whether being a decent father and considerate husband makes him a "GOAT," or if he's just clearing meeting a baseline standard of decency that the other characters fail to meet. I think it would have been cool if the book brought us into Richards thoughts more as well. Overall good and funny blogpost.

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  7. Hola Henry, very interesting take here it really made me think. Richard Dalloway making it into a GOAT debate was something I was not expecting. I especially like your point about how he treats people others overlook, like Ellie Henderson. Maybe he’s not changing the world, but being a genuinely good husband, father, and person definitely deserves some credit. I honestly really like how this blog makes you think Richards place in the grand scheme of the book and honestly a very good blog post. Keep it up champ!

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  8. Hi Henry, you have a very interesting blog title! While the premise of the blog is humorous, I like that you emphasized the positive qualities of Richard. I must admit when I first was reading this book I didn't think of him as a particularly good husband or person, but my mind changed as I saw him express his feelings for Clarissa and be a good dad for his daughter. I enjoyed reading your blog, keep up the clickbait titles.

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  9. Hey Henry! I totally agree with you that greatness shouldn't just be measured by accomplishments, but by also how the person treats others. This blog helped me realize that Richard is actually a nice guy: he brings flowers to Clarissa to express his love, includes people who may be left out in Clarissa's parties, and expresses genuine pride for his daughter. Great blog!

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  10. Crazy intro... but I love it. Never thought Richard would be compared to Jesus, but im down for an experiment. Its really interesting to compare a person with normal every day actions, to having such a big impact. I also felt bad for Richard a little while reading the book, but maybe thats just my opinion. Gzreat blog post Henry!

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  11. Hi Henry, another unskippable title. I personally think that Richard is not a Lebron level goat, but maybe an Alex Caruso sleeper goat. Similar to Caruso, he does everything well, and doesn't really have a weakness. His wholesome thoughtfulness about Clarissa, success in a position of power, and respect for Peter make him one of the most likeable characters in the book.

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